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Why can't I pick Damian McKenzie at fullback?

A few of you playing Super Rugby Fantasy this season have asked why Damian McKenzie isn't available to pick as an outside back, despite the fact he plays fullback every weekend. We thought we'd explain why.



When brainstorming about ways we could make the Super Rugby Fantasy game better, one of the major things we noted from the 2015 version was that the majority of canny brus were picking players out of position. This was possible because we allowed you to pick players in any position that they were capable of playing.

The best example of this was Nemani Nadolo. The giant Fijian winger has played once or twice (mostly internationally) in the centre, so we allowed you to pick him there in your fantasy team. So, every week he would play on the wing for the Crusaders, and yet pretty much everyone had him in their team as a centre.

He wasn't the only example. Broadly speaking, outside backs score the most points in our fantasy game - they have the most space to rack up metres with ball in hand, and score the most tries. So, guys like Nadolo and Tim Nanai-Willians were picked by almost everyone in the centre, despite very rarely playing there. Willem Alberts was a popular pick in the second row, despite hardly ever featuring there for the Sharks... and so on.

So, we decided that for this year's game, we needed to cut back on this. Basically, we wanted to make picking your fantasy team closer to reality, whilst also encouraging greater pick diversity. After all, it's no fun if everyone has Nadolo in the centre, is it?

This is where we return to Damian McKenzie. Before the season began, we decided to assign one position to each player. In general, this has worked well, because most players only play in one position.

For utility players, however, it meant we had to take an educated punt. We looked at where they had featured most in seasons past, and narrowed their availability down to that one position.

Now, DMac's situation has been something of a perfect storm, given his versatility and lack of appearances in the past. We made him a fly-half, which with the value of hindsight, is clearly wrong. And of course his insanely good form this season has somewhat cast a spotlight on the issue!

In general, though, we think we've got it right most of the time, and it has made for a better, more realistic game.

If you've got any thoughts on the above (including your own solution for the utility player problem!), do let us know below the line.
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Gotta agree with the logic!!
5 May 11:31
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(",) 5 May 12:03
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Excellent call/decision by SuperBru
5 May 12:19
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Makes sense
5 May 12:24
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Can you make a change mid season? For example I Foleau is now playing outside centre but is listed as a winger/fullback. 5 May 12:52
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Can you make a change mid season? For example I Foleau is now playing outside centre but is listed as a winger/fullback
5 May 12:52
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What happens to the people who has Folau as an Outside Back? If you make him a centre does he get booted off their teams? 6 May 12:40
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You do get the Stats from somewhere as well as Team sheets from somewhere. Is a trigger not possible to always set the DB's player position value = to the one most Played? You can even go as far as saying use the last "X" amount of games to do so? This is assuming you use a DBMS, which I am sure you do.
5 May 13:33
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Well i cant see a big website like this writing out xml files after every game BUT i do think this is an excellent idea. Each player gets a starting position and after set amount of games the player is automatically changed to the relevant position and all bru's who uses the player gets a notification that the bru has changed position. If the player does not respond and change the team the out of position player is automatically subbed. Good idea 5 May 14:22
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You could also put a time constraint on such a player picked in a position he no longer is valid in. So if I chose McKenzie in 10 before he was moved to 15 I could keep him on as a 10 but the moment the trade is made I can only pick him again in the position he is now valid in being 15. Seems we got this figured out :) hahahaha 6 May 05:04
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Thank you for the explanation. I do see Damian McKenzie predominantly as a kicker so the logic makes sense. He is then competing is the correct "category".
5 May 14:44
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I agree as I had the same situation. But it allows for "out-of-the-box' selection, which makes it more interesting and fun. 7 May 06:15
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I like the idea of each player having only one specific role. The problem now though is this: Last weekend Cruden started kicking for the Chiefs. Most of the teams (if not all) have their flyhalf as the regular kicker. So now I can a)Choose a kicker and lose out on McKenzie in the team or b)Keep McKenzie and have no kicker in the team. I understand the reasoning behind the original decision, but don't you think we are now a bit disadvantaged because of it?
5 May 15:31
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I have to agree with that, last week, I picked McKenzie as my kicker, only to have Cruden doing the kicking for the Chiefs. Unfortunately I didnt have a specialist 'back up' kicker in my team. 5 May 18:29
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Yeah this is a bit of a nightmare, but when you think about it, it doesn't actually have anything to do with DMac's position. Even if we had him as an outside back, you would still have selected him as your kicker, right? When Cruden then kicks, there's nothing we can do about it, as DMac would still have scored points, so he wouldn't be auto-subbed out.

So this is actually about the vagaries of selection - picking DMac as kicker is always going to be a risk when Cruden is in the team too, as he is another kicking option and you can never be sure which one will kick. One of the many tactical elements of picking your team! 6 May 07:49
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Be smart - you can still start with McKenzie at flyhalf and put Lealilifano in at centre and let him kick - this will allow you to add another running fullback for metres... 6 May 13:24
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I agree with Hosie and drawcab1981. It allows for "out-of-the-box' selection, which makes it more interesting and fun. 7 May 06:17
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I don't agree with that. If Mckenzie is not kicking anymore (which he isn't) he is now fulfilling no flyhalf role anymore. But now I have to pick him in that position if I want him in my team meaning I'm losing out on all the advantages of picking another flyhalf. This does not create "out-of-the-box" selection, it forces "2nd string" selection. As noted above, I can pick Lealilifano at centre, but he would be at least my 4th choice of kicker currently. The rules of the fantasy game (amount of transfers and team limit) limits our options and I agree that this makes it more fun and interesting. But since McKenzie no longer performs any traditional flyhalf duties, I don't agree that he should be replacing the likes of Barret or Foley in the team. 9 May 11:21
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This week will be a killer. 4 byes, injuries/suspensions, e.g Kerevi, Tomane, Nadolo, Squire. Rotating regulars out. I'm having to start with 13 or even 12 if I want West kicking instead of Lealilifano, now that McKenzie probably won't kick, and having only one centre. Forcing me to decide if West (wet and windy forecast at hapless Kings) will score more than McKenzie (vs rusty or fresh Naholo) & Lealilifano (patchy form yet 36% pick due to kick pts) combined! A Joker pick for utility players would help and it mirrors real life selection dilemmas. But rules is rules. It forces us to be creative. How about the Force's kicking No9 Prior in Tokyo? Blues centre Moala (50th cap) vs Kings but no kicker in my case?
5 May 18:50
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Oh no, I selected West without taking the weather conditions into consideration. Now I will also have to read the weather reports every week. Thus, even less sleep before the weekend. :) 7 May 06:20
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I guess it is possible to overthink these things. :) .However thanks to sticking with McKenzie and trusting Lealil'ifano to kick instead of West, it paid off. It needed to as I only had 12 players. You actually got less if DMac was your kicker as he missed the one pen he took! Now how humid does the Forsyth-Barr indoor stadium get in May hmmm?
8 May 01:00
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Still don't agree, regarding the mail I sent to Super Bru and you couldn't answer me and was referred to management...McKenzie was carded as a fullback at round 1 and my kicker and I paid the price last week because he did not kick [nevertheless he cannot be picked as a player alone] and so now the best fullback in rugby can't make my team [or anybody else for that matter]... Point is I can pick Ben Smith, Dagg and Visinia as outside backs [all full backs] and actually I am cheating as they rack up the running meters. The game should be straight forward: All Bru's can only pick 1 player for each position namely one full back, one left wing , one right wing etc...I mean seriously, rugby is not played by outside backs, second five, first five etc. In fact it's easy - it's played in distinctive positions so keep it simple and cut back some more. As for Folau [now centre] and other utility backs, if they play a certain position for 2 games then make it a fixed position [even if changed ba
5 May 20:36
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What in it for the poor half back I can't see them scoring any points ,
The scoring system for the forwards is good points for line outs n scrubs but the half back get nothing it's just about worth not having one in your team,
What if the half back got part of the forwards scrum point or points for so many passes or box kicks ,I'm not sure just trying to give feed back to super bru
Other wise keep it up
5 May 22:41
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I can understand the logic in doing so, not that I agree totally with the concept, but it is going to be hard to please everyone and keep everyone happy. At least we will be faced with the same hard decisions coaches have to make every week in who to start and in what position. :)
As for the reality part, not so much, coaches have the luxury of playing players in positions they see fit or for game plan requirements, so it would be nice to have an option of a positional switch with maybe a limit of 1 per round if the need arises.
Also, how about 1 Wild Card option, where at any time during the whole competition, you can do a general reset of your whole team once off. With all the bye weeks and injuries and players not performing and not making the team anymore, you might not be able to cover all positions with the weekly transfers, or you halfway through the season, you want to start afresh. Been playing fantasy premier league, where this option comes in quite handy for me round about
6 May 07:08
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I like that, but would prefer if each player had 2 positions. But have a rule that they have to have played in a position for something like 10 or more times to qualify to play there. So if DMac plays more than 10 times in the 15 position he can then be picked as a 15 in your Fantasy team. This will eliminate the issue but also acknowledge a player's move to a different position.
6 May 07:19
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Brilliant!! Gives a better sense of reality for your picks!
6 May 08:59
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Not the greatest idea. Damien plays fullback exclusively... surely he should be the exception.
6 May 09:33
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This week I have managed to pick 5 outside backs (excluding McKenzie for a change as I needed a kicker - got caught out last week) and even managed to get four loosies into my team... Good tactic to employ but the results do not always work out...
6 May 13:18
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I agree with you guys but, why not make a utility option and you can only pick one player for that position, whether it be a forward or a back, makes things interesting dont you think, also maybe introduce a money system as an added option, as to who you can buy, depending on who you pick you can get a certain amount of money for the following week and you can either save or spend it...
6 May 22:52
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The fantasy is pure fluke. You can get close but you really need alot of luck. I had Dagg and Read for Saders vs Reds. They murdered Reds but my 2 did nothing and I had Dagg as captain. All the tries went to 11. Other times it will be 14. Pure fluke. Absolutely no way of knowing where scores and metres will be won and lost. The captain worth double is a mistake as it allows too much for a fluke. I'd agree with 1.5 X. I'd like to see more chances for forwards to rack up points. Maybe in the amount of points for a tackle. Trying to predict within 5, is real skill and requires a much better understanding of the game and teams etc. Even going with bookies pick won't necessarily get you in top 5, and certainly won't make u #1.
7 May 03:58
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Same here with Dagg. But form is temporary while class is permanent. I think final pass assist points, say 3 like in football. Would have helped Dagg and address No 9s being short-changed. 8 May 01:17
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How about a salary cap for your team? Give each person a starting amount of dollars/pounds/rands/brucoins. And then assign values to each player that a player then needs to buy. A player might be assigned multiple possitions, but in the end, you won't be able to fill your team with star players out of position, as you can't afford it. It will also be closer to reality, as a team always have star players as well as some weaker players.
7 May 06:26