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NEW: Cricket Predictor Changes at Superbru

We've all been there. Sat staring at our laptop or phone making picks for the IPL, T20 blast or whichever other cricket tournament it may be at a given time of the year. Bragging rights are of course a must when it comes to Superbru, but it feels tricky to play with confidence that you'll beat your pool mates when looking to decide exactly how many wickets or runs the Kolkata Knight Riders are set to defeat the Rajasthan Royals by.

Just as with all of our other predictor games, the question we're essentially asking you when you play our cricket predictor tournaments is not only which team will win a given fixture but also how close that fixture is likely to be. We've decided that the notion of 'closeness' is not always accurately reflected by runs or wickets alone and will therefore be introducing a new format that will be in place for our next tournament - the new South African t20 league named the Mzansi Super League - and all others in the future.

Introducing the Sachin system

As you may recall from The General informing you about changes to our football scoring system earlier this year, each scoring change is given a name here at Superbru. The 'Wenger system' is now firmly in place for each of our football games and since we're on the hunt for a cricket predictor format that is also about keeping things simple, easy and most importantly, enjoyable, we've decided Sachin Tendulkar is the man our new system will be named after. The 'Little Master' certainly made things look really easy and if the Sachin system proves to be half as enjoyable to play as Tendulkar was to watch, we'll feel this change has been a great success.

Rather than asking for a specific number of runs or wickets a team will win by, after picking a team to win you'll now have to choose between three options: Close, Comfortable or Easy.

We have crunched a whole lot of data (the last 4 years of major T20 tournaments) and come out with the following T20 thresholds for each category:

Note: These thresholds will be widened for ODI (and other One Day) tournaments

In batting second victories, it's always the lower of the wickets or balls thresholds that will decide the outcome. For example, a win by 8 wickets but with only 1 ball remaining will count as Close, as will a win by 1 wicket but with 14 balls remaining.

Ties resolved by super over will be scored as 'Close' for the winning team. If the tournament doesn't use a tie-break mechanism like a super over, in the very rare event of a tie, players picking Close would score Margin Points but nobody would score a Win Point. We'd rather make an exception like this than build the choice of a tie into the user interfaces and scoring as ties are so unusual (and so unpredictable) that we think we'd be doing everyone a disservice by tempting you into that option.

Lastly, in weather-affected matches that end up being decided by the Duckworth/Lewis method, all margin points will be scrapped and points will simply be issued for picking the winner as you can't apply a full 20 or 50 over prediction to a match that has to be reduced some time after it has started. For one day matches that are reduced from the start due to rain, it is likely we will still apply thresholds so long as a certain number of overs have been played - this will be made clear ahead of any One Day tournaments starting at Superbru.

Points

As previously mentioned, things will be kept simple. You will score 1 point for selecting the right winner of a given match and an additional 0.5 points if you manage to nail the correct closeness threshold - a bit like our Sevens predictor game. Pool Bonus Points will be scrapped.



Mzansi Super League

The Sachin system will make its debut with a brand new cricket tournament next month! If you haven't already heard, a fresh South African t20 tournament will begin on the 16th November featuring six franchises - Tshwane Spartans, Cape Town Blitz, Jozi Stars, Durban Heat, Paarl Rocks and Nelson Mandela Bay Giants.

There will be a fantasy Superstars game for the MSL at Superbru in addition to the predictor, though this is yet to be made available due to today's ongoing player draft that is deciding which teams the likes of Chris Gayle will be representing.

Our MSL T20 predictor is available for you to join now though, and you can do so here.

We hope you're all as excited for these cricket predictor changes as we are and that the game can add some extra excitement to numerous upcoming tournaments. Feel free to leave any questions you may about the Sachin system in the comments below.
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Sounds great. Lets go for it! Definitely more exciting.
17 Oct 09:32
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It is a big improvement. Well done.
17 Oct 09:42
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Any team can win a T20 game, it's basically a lottery game so, yes, your new system suits both teams.
17 Oct 13:55
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much better that predicting actual figures.
17 Oct 14:01
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sounds like a good change - time will tell, but definitely an improvement
17 Oct 14:03
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I think you need a fourth 'Down Trou' catagory for thrashings of 9 or 10 wickets or 50 plus runs. This seems to be part of an ongoing plan to harmonise Global & Pool Points by removing closest Bonuses in ALL sports This undoubtedly makes processing and updating easier & therefore quicker. It also steepens the Normal Distribution 'Bell-shaped' curve bunching more pickers towards the centre.

The crucial picks will become the Comfortably or Easy choices. This effectively replaces the 5 or 6 wickets or 15 or 20 runs, which still gave a slight hedge if the underdogs won by 5 or fewer if you went 15. Conversely you instead got the within 20 points margin bonus for a 40 run tonking by the favorites. I often went 17 runs to cover both outcomes. I also occasionally went 7 or 8 or even 9 wickets to nab the Closest Bonus, but that entertaining high risk/high reward option has been 'Hit for Six' by this new 'Slashin' Sashin' system. It makes it more 'Geoffrey Boycott-esque' and plodding with few
17 Oct 14:11
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Hi Paul, thank you for the feedback! First of all, we certainly won't be removing bonus points from all sports. Rugby is a prime example of a sport where bonus points work brilliantly but we feel that in football (and now cricket) that these new systems make far more sense than the rugby system we had been squeezing sports into.

By ensuring players can receive a 'maximum' amount of points for a correct pick rather than worrying about pool mates, skilled brus will be fully rewarded when they predict a game well instead of often missing out on important bonus points because they happen to have been one run further away from a result than a pool mate. Regardless of how well a bru may know their cricket, it's near-impossible to say with any certainty that a game will be won by an exact amount of runs or wickets. We're confident that by grouping those two factors along with the new consideration of balls remaining, the way in which points are rewarded at Superbru will be a better reflectio 17 Oct 14:40
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Continued from above;
It makes it more 'Geoffrey Boycott-esque' and plodding with fewer gains possible, only 0.5 compared to say 1.5 pts. Is this about keeping more pickers hopes alive towards the end of tournaments? But is achieved by neutralising the more clever tactics of historically more 'canny' and successful Brus? You are reducing the choice of weapons in some more able Bru's armouries. Who fancies a round of golf with 3 clubs instead of 12?
17 Oct 14:20
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Like it, sounds good. :-)
17 Oct 15:45
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Naaahhhh.. I prefer the old system.. but let's see maybe I'm proved wrong..
17 Oct 16:02
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Agree with Jersey-Puller.
I also like the new idea for making it easier to pick in the cricket comps. You could also make it even simpler by dropping the “balls remaining” as I don’t think this is necessary and widening the parameters, as follows - Close win - 1-3 wickets or 1-20 runs Comfortable win - 4-7 wickets or 21-49 runs Easy win - 8+ wickets or 50+ runs Then the scoring - 3 points for spot on prediction 2 points for prediction 1 result class away from the result 1 point for prediction 2 result class away from the result I’ve played cricket games on other sites that adopt this method and it just works.
17 Oct 17:11
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Interestingly I was also initially skeptical about including the number of balls remaining - it's a secondary level of the winning margin for the chasing team. But the key motivation for including that is the additional context which it provides to describe what actually happened in the match. In two matches which finish with a 7 wicket win they'd both seem like an Easy win for the chasing team. But if you include the balls remaining as 7 wickets and 2 balls compared to 7 wickets and 30 balls it's apparent that the first result went down to the wire as a Close result, where as the second was a very Easy win. 18 Oct 07:57
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Then regarding the actual margins, we analyzed all T20 results over the last 4 years to define the given ranges. They're fairly tight but give a good statistical balance for T20 specific results. The Easy win pick does cover a wide range of possible runs and this is something which we've discussed extensively during the design process, but based on the numbers we looked at that's good. For perspective, of the 2500 odd matches we analyzed less than a fifth of those ended with a margin greater than 25 runs. So most matches tend to be a lot closer than you'd expect. The occasional match which ended with a significantly bigger runs margin was more of an outlier and an obvious mismatch between the teams. So based on that the current pick ranges should work well for T20's.

The ranges you've suggested there would realistically be more in line with 50 over ODI's. We're still crunching the numbers for those to be tailored specifically for the different requirements of the longer version. 18 Oct 08:29
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Good and exciting new innovation. Well done for always thinking up new and improved ways to test our skill and luck sometimes!! Take it away, The General.!!!!
17 Oct 17:18
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Looks good. Still don't like the 3 points for a perfect score in football though. 2 will be so much better :-)
17 Oct 17:26
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Agree 100% with you. 3 points is too much 17 Oct 21:38
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cant agree more it rewards blind luck over consistent close picks have said it since day one but no response 18 Oct 10:00
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Thanks for the feedback guys. So far we're finding the new football scoring to work really well, but we'll certainly review this again after the current season's tournaments are done to consider any further refinements if necessary.

Back to cricket for now... 18 Oct 10:08
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Appreciate all the effort that went into the creating the new system. I am all for it
17 Oct 18:03
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Dare I say. You are appear to be dumbing down the system with your recent changes to the footy and cricket scoring systems. Simple is an understatement now. I tend to agree with jersey pullers theory that you are sort of levelling the player field and giving more brus chances of participating successfully in the tournaments. Possibly to the detriment of the the more skilled bru players however it will make for very competitive tournaments which is a good thing. .
17 Oct 18:39
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For a while now we've felt the previous cricket game model just didn't quite cut the mustard. Realistically speaking it's near impossible to consistently predict exactly what the final runs margin will be and from what we've seen most users tend to pick a score which might have a reasonable chance of being in the Margin Point range and stick with it. e.g. Team X by 10 runs or 4 wickets or Team Y by 20 runs or 6 wickets. In theory those picks are doing exactly what were modeling in the Sachin system. A pick of 10 runs or 4 wickets assumes that the match will be relatively Comfortable win, where as a pick of 20 runs or 6 wickets assumes that the match will be a bit more of an Easy win.

So we're really simplifying that pick process and making the game easier to play, consequently increasing the chance that you'd be in with a shot at getting the Maximum points haul for a match if you've applied your cricket knowledge well, which should make it a lot more fun and competitive to play. 18 Oct 08:52
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All these scoring changes for the various sports are great and will never be welcomed by everybody. My question is : Do you have the real courage to change the scoring format for rugby ? You all seem to have blinkers on when it comes to the rugby scoring system and look the other way. For example - close in rugby means you picked the wrong team (the losing team) and yet get rewarded with half a point. Therefore in cricket, if you pick close but the wrong team, you should also get rewarded with half a point. Fair is fair. If you don't do it for cricket, stop doing it for rugby.
17 Oct 20:03
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Thanks Bomber. We regularly discuss possible changes and improvements to all our scoring systems - rugby included. With the Rugby World Cup coming up next year we touched on this very recently and we'll be looking at it in more detail over the next few months. However, the rugby game model has matured really well over the years and there's an element of familiarity with it for the majority of our users. So with that in mind, it's very important to consider both the pros and the cons of any possible changes, which we weigh in heavily before starting with any significant overhauls.

Let's not take too much of a detour off-topic here, but your comments are certainly noted and we'll keep them in consideration when we revisit the rugby discussion at SuperHQ soon. 18 Oct 09:03
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@bernard.oosthuizen13 there's nothing to worry about right now. We know there are loads of users who love the rugby game model exactly as it is. Any possible changes to the rugby game will be considered very carefully before implemented. Right now nothing is changing, but it's always good for us to review the efficacy of our games on a regular basis to see if there's anything that we can improve on for our users. With that in mind it's always useful to get user feedback like Bomber's which is factored into any decisions that we make during our internal review process. 18 Oct 09:45
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How about this proposed scoring change for rugby. 2 points for picking the winning team. If your margin is exact receive an additional 1.25 points (everybody). If your margin is between 1 - 5 points, receive an additional 1 point. If your margin is between 6 - 10 points, receive an additional 0.75 points. If your margin is between 11 and 15 points, receive an additional 0.5 points. If your margin is greater than 15 points, no margin points.
17 Oct 20:11
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Yes the 'closeness' question is difficult in many of the competitions so its worth thinking about for each sport (such as rugby and football - is 2-1 closer for a 3-1 result than for a 1-1 result?). Let's see how the new scoring goes and see how to adopt it for other tournaments. 19 Oct 09:05
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No. The rugby scoring system does not need any tinkering. It's as good as gold 21 Oct 07:42
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Sounds fair.
I wonder why Vrystaat dont have a team
18 Oct 09:22
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Unsuprisingly would be very happy to keep the T20 as it has been, especially as it has been in 2018 !
19 Oct 23:33
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ek kan nie wag nie
21 Oct 18:55
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I think the new system is a step in the right direction and will suit more Brus than not.
I think this should also attract brus over to participate in cricket.
The skilled brus should statistically fair better irrespective of the scoring system.
22 Oct 12:35
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Having watched and followed cricket for 60 odd years I never could embrace your previous model , much as I wanted to .I shall definitely give the new system a go . Good job!!
25 Oct 12:39
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Cool
26 Oct 15:48
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Has bad light stopped play yet? Keeping to Cricket, but changing tournaments: Test Cricket Superstars awards 1 point for a fifty, 2 points for a century, 1 point for a 3fer, and 2 points for a 5fer. I suggest that it be taken further; with 3 points for a 150, 4 points for a double-ton (etcetera), 4 points for an 8fer, and 6 points for the impossible 10fer (which would equate to triple century).
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Sorry, looks like I missed this earlier in the week. I get the motivation behind this idea, but don't forget that your batsman earns 1 point for every 10 runs scored. So he'll already be earning massive points for a score of 150, 200 or even 300+. Whacking on additional points for reaching those thresholds would overly reward such a player who'd already have earned a very big points tally.
It's something we considered when we designed the Cricket Superstars game, but decided against as it would throw the scoring balance off-kilter with too much weighting at the top end. 15 Nov 11:06
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While everybody else is commenting and differing and suggesting, I am refining y system to adapt to the fresh cricketing scoring system. By the time you have resolved your differences, I will be streets ahead and laughing all the way to the bank. Nowadays, in all sports, the rules and regulations regularly change. Like the players in a real competition, we have to adapt (in fact innovate) or die (like the dinosaurs - you know what was said about them - they could not adapt to the new environment). Enjoy.
15 Nov 10:50
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That sounds like an Expert idea indeed! We hope you enjoy the new game. Good luck! 15 Nov 11:07
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to me 8 wks is a thrashing - - - even if one ball remains... but my pick would be out.... old way was so much better
16 Nov 09:57
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It's always very difficulty to predict the furst few games, i already have the opener wrong ,so time will tell when we will end up, we need to learn the teams perfomances and we will improve day by day
16 Nov 21:25
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New system very good will be fun if u can create odi tournament to play is only t20 and test superstars please create odi tournament superstars &predictor
30 Nov 14:16
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Thanks Chris, we're glad to hear that you're digging the new Sachin scoring system as much as we are! We'll be using this game model for the upcoming 2019 World Cup (with slight tweaks to the thresholds to be more fitting for the 50 over version) and a few other events next year.
Good luck with your next picks! 30 Nov 14:31